In ep 40, cohost Jamal Robinson and I interviewed Nathaniel Chapman, a professor of sociology and co-author of “Beer and Racism: How Beer Became White, Why It Matters, and the Movements to Change It.” Chapman said that he and his co-author David L. Brunsma have faced backlash for the book, including death threats, from parts of the web well known for white supremacists. We discuss why he wrote it, what it uncovered, and how we can overcome white fragility and make some honest change in the beer industry when it comes to diversity.

This episode is sponsored by Labyrinth Brewing in Manchester, Connecticut.

Mentioned in this episode: Ale Sharpton, Craft Crew, NEBCO, and the Chicago Newseum.

Background music: “Misha, Monma” by Spiral, “Cafe Music from BGM Channel.”

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